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it doesn't want to lose they wants you

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to engage with it it wants you to just

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go outside and climb a tree and spin

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around a circle and see an alien see a

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Bigfoot try and talk to a ghost it just

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wants you to do something it doesn't

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want to win or lose like that's the

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human adult's learned part of you but

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what does it mean that's the winning and

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losing what does it mean

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this is somewhere in the skies the brain

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spread

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan spray there are certain

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I saw your photo that you took with the

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UFO people side your upfront which was

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incredible oh yeah yeah it was amazing

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for anyone listening they put it on the

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sign to the venue we're speaking at I'm

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with John Tenney by the way I should

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probably mention the first time he's on

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somewhere in the skies I've been way

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that happened I know happened a long

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time ago it should have happened a long

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time ago and I should have met you a

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long time ago it's true I have been a

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huge fan of your work for a really long

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time and I'm sitting here nervous as

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[\h__\h] to interview you because I have no

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idea what to ask you so perfect there we

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go that's what the conversation is gonna

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start back to the UFO people I saw your

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photo and I said I got to get out there

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I've got my Hynek t-shirt on right now I

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gotta get a good photo so I'm out there

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and I set my phone up on a guy's truck

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to try to get a timed photo and of

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course who comes out when I'm trying to

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take the photo the guy who owns the

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truck right I say can I help you

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oh and say ah dude I'm so sorry I'm just

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using your truck to try to prop my

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camera to get a picture and he was so

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confused he's like whoa what's going on

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and then when I explained I'm here with

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a UFO conference he was like a white

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like what is going on so I thought that

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was really interesting someone who

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wasn't here for the convention and when

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I came out - we did like a sky watch

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earlier tonight I went out there and I

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saw the dude and he was out there with

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all of us do in the sky water of course

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and I ran into it and I'm like hell are

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you doing here he's like oh well when

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you told me there was a UFO convention I

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had to see what was going on so I've

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talked to a number of people at this

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convention who came here to talk about

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yes and over the course of the past

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couple days I've also talked to a dozen

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people who were just staying in this

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about UFOs so like even people who like

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realize this is my opportunity you can

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tell my story right and so I've been

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brought into corners

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yeah the people who don't realize that

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they can just approach me and tell me

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their story right then it's a very

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insightful moment when someone who is

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this happened to me when I was 16 and

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I'm the person I'm talking to is in

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their 50s or 60s they've never told this

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story before but for some reason they

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were staying at this hotel they saw

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there was a UFO convention and now they

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can unload this information that they've

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had carried in their soul for forty-five

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years or 50 years and that's the amazing

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thing about this community like because

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those people I actually tend to believe

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more than the people who came to this

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convention hmm there's no baggage no

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experience there's no like preconceived

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notions right yeah and you can hear the

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reality in their voice they're not

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telling the story for the first time

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please search for words Thursday they're

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not on a script yeah you mentioned

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earlier today we did a panel where um

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you could have two people sitting right

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next to each other one says I saw a UFO

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the situation say they're full of [\h__\h]

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like I believed him what do you mean I

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mean that's the the part of humanity

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that we do know how to communicate with

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each other the reason that people like

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podcasts is because they hear human

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beings being honest and interacting with

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each other the reason that some podcast

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succeed whether it be a comedy podcast

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or a true-crime podcast or you a podcast

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is they hear the inflection the tonality

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the timbre of someone's voice and they

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know this person is really interested in

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this and they're being honest and

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succinct with me I don't know how we

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learned it whether it's you know

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evolutionarily based whatever but we are

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the best [\h__\h] detectors we learn it

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as little kids we know what doesn't work

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when we break a lamp and we tell our

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mother I didn't break the lamp and she

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doesn't believe it and then were

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punished for it we learn how to change

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the inflection because we we know what's

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not working

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and there are some people who for

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whatever reason aren't cognizant of that

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story you're like oh you [\h__\h] broke

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the lamp like even if they're 60 years

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old they didn't realize like that that's

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what you're not supposed to be doing

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when you're telling the truth people

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come to me and so I think your story's

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[\h__\h] or whatever you I hear it all

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the time I have a I have 30 maybe 35

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weird stories over the past 30 years and

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I'm like that's fine I don't expect

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anyone to believe me

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are people who can back up my stories

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and you can go and try and check them

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out but the reality of the situation is

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for me being honest means that I don't

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have to remember when I told you the

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last time I told you the story it's just

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if I tell you what happened it's gonna

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be the same every time I tell you yeah

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right and so like when you have people

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who have spectacular stories whether it

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be Bob Lazar or whatever there was even

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Nick was talking about it like someone

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who tells the same story 20 years later

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B's like start looking at that story

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because why hasn't it changed because

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it's the truth it's just the easy way to

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remember things that's a really good way

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to if you are telling the truth there's

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nothing you really have to remember

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it's like the only thing that's gonna

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happen to the story is that it'll will

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degrade it won't become more elaborate

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it'll become less elaborate the human

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ever you're not gonna remember better

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assassinations of the 1960s and 70s sort

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of Kennedy assassination RFK MLK Malcolm

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those events said in the moment because

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talking to them thirty years later they

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haven't remembered more they've

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at 30 years later I know that they've

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watched documentaries and they've made

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stuff up and their mind has filled in

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the gaps and so when you hear someone

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telling a story and this is just the way

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I I'm telling it because this is just

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the way it happened the other story is

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actually gonna get worse over not better

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crazy stories about UFO phenomena or

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ghost phenomena a Bigfoot whatever any

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any kind of strange phenomena what

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you're looking for and you will pick up

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readily is is it becoming more complex

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did they remember something this year

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that they didn't know 15 years ago and

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then you know they're just making it up

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I mean is that the case or is it them

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learning new stuff when it comes to like

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their own experiences but their

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experience shouldn't change when I tell

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something that's happened to me and I've

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individualistic to each person but I've

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had a lot of experiences and learn stuff

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that might compromise my memory of the

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original experience but I have the

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knowledge of saying like okay so maybe

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this happened like even while I'm

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telling the story it'll just be a quick

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aside of me saying now maybe and you

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haven't heard that now maybe even before

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that's me with my new learning talking

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about the old story and that actually

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makes it more genuine because you're

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like oh the person learned something but

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when they don't call it out

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when the story is the same for a while

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and then changes and they haven't

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mentioned that oh but I also read this

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book but maybe these quantifiers okay

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right so definitive conversations in UFO

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phenomena in supernatural phenomena

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paranormal phenomena when people make

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definitive statements they're on the

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very wrong track in my

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when someone tells you I know I saw

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something when someone knows I know for

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sure that this happened those people

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immediately your brain knows that

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something is wrong because you know

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instinctively and all your listeners and

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people who listen to this know and seem

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to believe they don't know anything

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people don't know [\h__\h] that's right no

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one knows anything

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right so when someone is declaring the

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[\h__\h] reptiles are fighting people

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under the ground at area 51 you're like

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whoa you know that for sure and they're

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like yes I fought them in the

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underground tunnels right you're like

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well that's a bunch of [\h__\h] it's a

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good story and I like listening to it

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but it's probably [\h__\h] because

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you're saying not that it didn't happen

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but this person is saying they know it

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for sure there's no real good evidence

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and we all know this kind of

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subconsciously there's no real good

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evidence that I'm sitting on a couch in

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a hotel talking to you like this may

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just be a [\h__\h] weird old piece of ham

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dream right Christmas Carol I'm not a

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ghost I'm just a piece of pork yeah like

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so when someone gives you a definitive

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statement in something that's when you

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start doubting them and with the UFO

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community we are in a situation right

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now where we have a group of people who

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are making definitive statements and

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that's why people are lashing out okay

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let's let's dive into that a little bit

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better so I remember early on in the

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inception of to the Stars Academy and

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all of this a tip stuff everything going

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on a lot of the younger people in the

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UFO field got really excited you know

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this is the first time a lot of us meet

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myself included had heard anything like

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this a secret Pentagon program all these

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intelligence officers getting together

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in like creating their own UFO research

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organization this is so cool and I

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remember hearing from a lot of the

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people who you know were my mentors or

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people hi learned from saying but the

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brakes on we've seen this before and I

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remember early on you were one of those

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individuals that was saying guys be care

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yeah we have been through this before

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and you know us younger stubborn people

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are like oh no like whatever that was

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then this is now right so let's get into

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that a little bit I remember you talking

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a little about some of the members of

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this to the Stars Academy have been

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caught up in this kind of [\h__\h] before

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yeah for sure and I completely

302
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understand I mean I remember when I was

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a young researcher and there was

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information breaking I mean when I was

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16 or 17 like the mj-12 papers were

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dropping yeah and then like all of a

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sudden we had like alien autopsy video

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and like so they mean there was a time

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to be really excited but even then like

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my mentors were like calm down

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we've seen this stuff before a lot of

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it's gonna turn out to be fake so it

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just relax and try and qualify the data

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look at the people who were involved

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look at their histories and wait for it

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to play out because if what they're

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saying proves to be true everyone in the

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world

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benefits no one will care who was right

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and who was wrong because it changes the

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world and so when I see it start to

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happen now almost in my 50s and I see it

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kind of happening again and I tell

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people like calm down look at the

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players look at what's going on because

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if it proves to be real that's great but

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we're all gonna benefit from it and no

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one is gonna care who was right and who

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was wrong

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we're all going to be elevated our

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thoughts our processes our living the

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reality of humankind changes to a point

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where no one's gonna say like let's

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stick their fingers in their ears and

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say like ha ha ha ha ha I was on the

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right side we're going to be at a point

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of elevation and illumination beyond

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that saying like holy [\h__\h] we can

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explore the universe together forever

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now so the idea of saying like yelling

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at someone who's saying like you're

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wrong you're wrong they're gonna break

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through they're gonna

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change everything I hope so

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but I'm not gonna fight with you over

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I'm just gonna tell you to be careful

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because they might be fooling you and if

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they're not fooling you and they do make

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a breakthrough you're not gonna care at

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the other end anyway

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if you were right or wrong or if I was

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right or wrong there's this huge divide

353
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right now and I

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I find myself you know teetering on

355
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either end of wanting to support these

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people who are getting the UFO topic out

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to the mainstream unlike anything I've

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seen in my generation or my time

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researching but at the same time I find

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myself looking at it and being like hmm

361
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there is a distinct narrative being

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pushed with this and I don't like it I I

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just I don't like where it's going right

364
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and that's frustrating because I grew up

365
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with this guy Tom DeLonge sure like he

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was you know a musical hero of mine and

367
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then I find out he's in the UFOs like I

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was you find this kindred spirit and

369
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you're like wow this is the UFO Messiah

370
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I've been waiting for right exam it's

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frustrating it's frustrating but the

372
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thing is it was interesting is so like

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I've been talking to some people

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obviously it goes back and forth and

375
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people are like but they're bringing it

376
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into the mainstream and it's like yes

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absolutely

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bringing the mainstream a lot more

379
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topics news articles television shows

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whatever about it but you have to

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realize like and people are like like

382
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it's never been done before they're like

383
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oh it's never been done like this where

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it's huge no it's at the same level the

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last time the this stuff broke through

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into the mainstream our technology is

387
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different ours are the way that the

388
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social media works is different but like

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in the 90s when you have a three-hour

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primetime special with Larry King

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talking about UFOs right that is massive

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the internet doesn't exist at that point

393
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everyone is only watching television and

394
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now a prime-time special on Larry King

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at that point in the 90s the biggest

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[\h__\h] person on television is talking

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about UFOs and has stanton on as all

398
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these people on time of your post

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huge in the world of UFOs at that point

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in the 70s Walter Cronkite does a

401
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special in the 70s there's no internet

402
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at all there are only eight channels of

403
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television and they're gonna dedicate

404
00:20:01,789 --> 00:19:59,570
two hours to UFOs this is enormous

405
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something is going to change it must

406
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change

407
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look at how impactful it's going to be

408
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on society because that's all there was

409
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and now people like well it's never been

410
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:12,809
this big no it has been this big

411
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relative to the technology and the media

412
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structure that we have it's the same

413
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amount there are people in France that

414
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don't know anything about to the Stars

415
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Academy and there are people in Africa

416
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and Russia China Japan we think very

417
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collectively about the world as the

418
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United States it's a very small level

419
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yeah

420
00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:37,530
there's a lot of stuff coming on in

421
00:20:41,539 --> 00:20:40,110
England where they have no idea what's

422
00:20:44,510 --> 00:20:41,549
going on in the United States they could

423
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care less about to the Stars Academy and

424
00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:47,460
but but here in our insulated Twitter

425
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:48,900
insta

426
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like we're like no this is the biggest

427
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thing that's ever happened it's about to

428
00:20:57,649 --> 00:20:54,630
change the world no we've been here

429
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before multiple times interest when

430
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,840
there were only 30 newspapers in the

431
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United States and they were talking

432
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,580
about airships in the 1890s it must have

433
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seemed like something was going to

434
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:10,559
happen that disclosure of a wider

435
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weirder world was going to happen every

436
00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:16,799
major newspaper in America all 30 of

437
00:21:21,950 --> 00:21:19,320
them right we're talking about airships

438
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:21,960
so something must going to happen and

439
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:25,200
this is just the way it is yeah I want

440
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:27,840
to circle back to some of this stuff

441
00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:29,970
that you um you talked about today I'm

442
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:32,130
talking your ear lecture which was

443
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hilarious

444
00:21:38,539 --> 00:21:35,990
thanks I must say I'm a goofball but

445
00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:38,549
that's what it's about the we're

446
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:41,220
embracing the wind just your thing I

447
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:42,570
think that people think that I'm a lot

448
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,490
more serious in my lectures until they

449
00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:46,080
see my lecture I didn't know what to

450
00:21:49,460 --> 00:21:47,580
expect because I've never seen you speak

451
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:49,470
before I don't think that it's they

452
00:21:54,409 --> 00:21:52,770
realize that I'm as there's a because of

453
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:54,419
social media right there's a

454
00:22:00,049 --> 00:21:57,450
a curated aspect to our personality and

455
00:22:01,580 --> 00:22:00,059
so I have this I have this person added

456
00:22:06,739 --> 00:22:01,590
where people think I'm this very like

457
00:22:09,619 --> 00:22:06,749
uptight kind of deep thinking old man

458
00:22:11,869 --> 00:22:09,629
character and the reality is like I'm a

459
00:22:14,509 --> 00:22:11,879
stand-up comic oh my god I'm talking

460
00:22:17,389 --> 00:22:14,519
about we're dead perfect right yeah yeah

461
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,399
like and so I've watched all the other

462
00:22:21,229 --> 00:22:18,960
lectures and I'm like wow there's a lot

463
00:22:23,269 --> 00:22:21,239
of factual information being parsed and

464
00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:23,279
and then I get up and I look at myself

465
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:25,289
outside of myself I use my imagination

466
00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:26,940
to see what I must look like and I'm

467
00:22:31,099 --> 00:22:29,820
like I am a [\h__\h] goof I'm hitting

468
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myself in the head with the microphone

469
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:31,919
right

470
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yeah like screaming and calling out my

471
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:36,330
own errors when I'm like why is anyone

472
00:22:40,009 --> 00:22:38,369
listening to this stuff it's so truth

473
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:40,019
away because there's times where I'm up

474
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:41,700
there and I'm trying to be super serious

475
00:22:46,879 --> 00:22:44,129
and I'm like looking down at myself

476
00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:46,889
being like loosen the [\h__\h] up and like

477
00:22:51,379 --> 00:22:49,080
this is some weird [\h__\h] yeah and we're

478
00:22:55,820 --> 00:22:51,389
all in this together like we're not here

479
00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:55,830
to like be serious like we need answers

480
00:23:00,379 --> 00:22:57,720
no we're here to like hash things out

481
00:23:01,879 --> 00:23:00,389
yeah and it cracks down at least for me

482
00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:01,889
when I think about it in the way that I

483
00:23:08,509 --> 00:23:04,289
communicate with people it's important

484
00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:08,519
for me to stand in front of people as a

485
00:23:15,049 --> 00:23:10,859
very weird person I think about myself

486
00:23:17,749 --> 00:23:15,059
as a weird person and call everyone a

487
00:23:21,769 --> 00:23:17,759
weirdo to their face the entire crowd

488
00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:21,779
you're all [\h__\h] weirdos and the

489
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:23,609
response isn't what they would normally

490
00:23:30,379 --> 00:23:26,580
have throughout their life which is to

491
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:30,389
be offended they cheer it they're like I

492
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:32,940
am like this person is calling me a

493
00:23:38,239 --> 00:23:35,210
weirdo he knows he's a weirdo and

494
00:23:40,399 --> 00:23:38,249
there's some self realization and

495
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:40,409
actuality in that where they're like we

496
00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:41,700
are talking about weird [\h__\h] [\h__\h]

497
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:43,529
we're talking about magic crystals

498
00:23:48,619 --> 00:23:45,090
[\h__\h] people from outer space and

499
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:48,629
monsters and I feel a lot of the time in

500
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:51,440
in UFO lectures or paranormal lectures

501
00:23:56,269 --> 00:23:53,609
people get so caught up in wanting to be

502
00:23:58,669 --> 00:23:56,279
taken seriously they forget how [\h__\h]

503
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,679
crazy this is we're talking about where

504
00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:00,960
hey there's two things that really

505
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:03,179
resonated with me today that you

506
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:05,700
mentioned and that one was being the

507
00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:06,890
definition of

508
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:09,980
mm-hmm yeah can you give that to us yeah

509
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:13,730
so weird is a 14th 15th century word

510
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:17,600
it's WY Rd it was actually one of the

511
00:24:22,510 --> 00:24:20,330
first recorded writings of it we have is

512
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:22,520
in Shakespeare The Weird Sisters right

513
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:25,130
so the witches is how it gets translated

514
00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:29,210
but the actual usage of the word was for

515
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:33,950
people who didn't respond accurately to

516
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:36,530
the taxation from kings and queens and

517
00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:38,510
land barons and Baroness's at the time

518
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,780
the etymological meaning of weird R is

519
00:24:46,570 --> 00:24:44,000
literally people who manifest their own

520
00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:46,580
destiny so if you are a weirdo you're a

521
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,620
person who doesn't do what the

522
00:24:52,810 --> 00:24:50,960
controlling classes tell you what to do

523
00:24:56,350 --> 00:24:52,820
you are a person who thinks for yourself

524
00:24:58,540 --> 00:24:56,360
you are a person who does what you want

525
00:25:00,760 --> 00:24:58,550
to do regardless of how you're going to

526
00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:00,770
be treated and so when you call someone

527
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,750
a weirdo you're not insulting them

528
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:05,120
you're complimenting them on being a

529
00:25:10,930 --> 00:25:08,570
freethinker I love that I mean again

530
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:10,940
even we have so many bad connotations or

531
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:12,650
they coming to do that but then you can

532
00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:15,770
sit in a room of all weirdos and not a

533
00:25:20,740 --> 00:25:18,260
be uncomfortable calling them that or be

534
00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:20,750
being called that right you know yeah

535
00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:23,150
it's we're all in it together and we are

536
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:27,470
we are all part of these subcultures or

537
00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:31,370
these communities that go against every

538
00:25:36,610 --> 00:25:33,470
normal thing you can think of mm-hmm you

539
00:25:39,220 --> 00:25:36,620
know but at the same time like we all go

540
00:25:42,010 --> 00:25:39,230
to our jobs we all have families we all

541
00:25:44,670 --> 00:25:42,020
have to do the day-to-day things and pay

542
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:44,680
our bills but then we go to these

543
00:25:50,650 --> 00:25:47,930
conferences with people and talk about

544
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:50,660
flying saucers run little green men and

545
00:25:56,290 --> 00:25:52,910
the paranormal and ghosts and Bigfoot

546
00:25:58,090 --> 00:25:56,300
and it's it's amazing to me I still find

547
00:26:00,850 --> 00:25:58,100
myself no matter how many times I go to

548
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:00,860
these things or talk to people being

549
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:04,130
like wow these there really are two

550
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:06,050
different worlds going on here

551
00:26:10,150 --> 00:26:07,970
there's this day-to-day routine that we

552
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:10,160
all live as human beings and there's

553
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,630
this other crazy world out there that

554
00:26:19,420 --> 00:26:17,120
all of us have given have been given a

555
00:26:21,250 --> 00:26:19,430
tiny tiny glimpse

556
00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:21,260
and we're just trying to piece it

557
00:26:27,310 --> 00:26:23,960
together III remember you're saying

558
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:27,320
today we all hold different pieces of a

559
00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:27,770
puzzle

560
00:26:32,140 --> 00:26:29,720
mm-hmm and that really resonated with me

561
00:26:35,050 --> 00:26:32,150
I had a woman come up to me and say the

562
00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:35,060
same exact thing yet she hadn't been to

563
00:26:41,410 --> 00:26:37,220
your lecture or anything hmm and she

564
00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:41,420
said I feel like everyone that looks

565
00:26:45,730 --> 00:26:43,160
into this stuff they all have like a

566
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,740
small piece of a puzzle that we're all

567
00:26:48,970 --> 00:26:47,120
trying to put together Emily

568
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:48,980
were you at Tennys talk and she's like

569
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:52,490
no I wasn't there was it oh my god yes

570
00:26:59,200 --> 00:26:56,690
it's very very so when people start to

571
00:27:03,040 --> 00:26:59,210
be discounted for their stories or their

572
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:03,050
experiences that's losing pieces of the

573
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:08,810
puzzle when a scientist or a religious

574
00:27:15,850 --> 00:27:12,490
scholar who ever tells us you're wrong

575
00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:15,860
that's not the experience you had like

576
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:18,380
you're subtracting a piece from the

577
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:20,930
puzzle of a reality I've always thought

578
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:25,490
of reality as as a game and not a game

579
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:28,690
in where there's a winner or a loser but

580
00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:31,850
we're we're players in this game

581
00:27:36,850 --> 00:27:34,150
everyone's important in the game

582
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:36,860
everyone is playing the game but when I

583
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:39,490
say game there's this instinctual

584
00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:43,130
learned behavior of adults that there's

585
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,080
a winner and a loser in a game when

586
00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:47,120
you're a child and someone tells you to

587
00:27:53,050 --> 00:27:51,260
go play you will go outside by yourself

588
00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:53,060
you'll spin around in a circle for a

589
00:27:56,980 --> 00:27:55,430
while you'll climb a tree you fall down

590
00:27:59,530 --> 00:27:56,990
you'll laugh whatever and then you came

591
00:28:02,740 --> 00:27:59,540
in now you just played a game no one

592
00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:02,750
will one no one lost you had a great

593
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:06,350
time playing other kids will come and do

594
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:07,730
the same thing with you the palm trees

595
00:28:10,810 --> 00:28:09,110
and they'll spin around no one's trying

596
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:10,820
to win no one's trying to lose

597
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:14,450
you're just playing and you have more

598
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:15,770
fun when there's other kids out there

599
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:19,310
doing that with you and I feel like the

600
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:22,190
phenomena whether it be ghosts UFOs or

601
00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:24,770
Bigfoot searching for consciousness like

602
00:28:32,290 --> 00:28:28,100
any of it just reality of itself is

603
00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:32,300
playing a game it doesn't want to win it

604
00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:33,230
doesn't want to lose

605
00:28:37,330 --> 00:28:35,270
they want you to engage with it they

606
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:37,340
want you to just go outside and climb a

607
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:39,290
tree and spin around a circle and see an

608
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:41,809
alien see a Bigfoot try and talk to a

609
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,790
ghost it just wants you to do something

610
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:45,919
it doesn't want to win or lose like

611
00:28:50,919 --> 00:28:48,530
that's the human adult's learned part of

612
00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:50,929
you but what does it mean that's the

613
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:53,150
winning and losing what does it mean it

614
00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:55,160
doesn't mean anything it means we're in

615
00:28:59,950 --> 00:28:57,080
a very [\h__\h] weird world that no one

616
00:29:01,870 --> 00:28:59,960
understands everyone has a little piece

617
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:01,880
of the game they each play the game in

618
00:29:06,850 --> 00:29:04,130
their own way that adds to your game

619
00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:06,860
none of us win or lose but when you

620
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,350
subtract pieces from it your game

621
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,360
becomes less when you start to tell

622
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:13,520
people that's not how the game is played

623
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:16,610
now you've created rules and the game

624
00:29:21,580 --> 00:29:18,830
lessons itself does that make any sense

625
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:21,590
absolutely well I talked in my talk

626
00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:24,559
today I brought up the the ruins and Bob

627
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,190
waking us 64 kids witness this craft

628
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:30,559
land creatures come out whatever no

629
00:29:37,060 --> 00:29:34,730
adults involved mhm and to hear the

630
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,070
testimony of these kids talking to John

631
00:29:43,690 --> 00:29:39,679
Mac Harvard psychiatrist who interviewed

632
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:43,700
the children you hear such a pure

633
00:29:53,140 --> 00:29:48,559
innocent honesty from these kids where I

634
00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:53,150
I can only imagine if any adults had

635
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:55,070
been involved with this case how

636
00:29:59,560 --> 00:29:56,809
different it would have come across or

637
00:30:02,860 --> 00:29:59,570
they would have like you said with years

638
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:02,870
comes filtering mechanisms and beliefs

639
00:30:10,570 --> 00:30:08,570
and suspicions and he said the rules

640
00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:10,580
start to come when you get older and

641
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:13,460
older and and you're out there longer

642
00:30:19,539 --> 00:30:17,120
and with these kids I understand that

643
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:19,549
because they were so honest and what

644
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:21,049
they experienced mm-hmm

645
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:24,110
so I totally did that do you think

646
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:25,730
there's anything to that in terms of

647
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:28,250
like getting older and it changes your

648
00:30:31,659 --> 00:30:30,110
entire perception of an experience yeah

649
00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:31,669
one of the things that I love the most

650
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:35,000
so during the panel session right like

651
00:30:38,919 --> 00:30:36,230
there was a girl who stood up and just

652
00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:38,929
asked a completely bonkers question and

653
00:30:43,899 --> 00:30:41,390
I did I mean I called it out but I mean

654
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:43,909
it was great because there was no filter

655
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:46,410
on her like she just went for it she's

656
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:47,370
start talking about like are there

657
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:48,990
multiple knees and multiple realities

658
00:30:55,670 --> 00:30:52,290
and and just went for it yeah and it's

659
00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:55,680
great because even I at this point I'll

660
00:31:01,610 --> 00:30:59,100
start to tell a individualized story

661
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:01,620
that happened to me and while I'm

662
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:04,260
telling it at certain points I'll hold

663
00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:06,210
back but at certain points I won't I'll

664
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:09,750
say no this is gonna sound strange like

665
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:11,610
I'll throw that caveat in there because

666
00:31:16,220 --> 00:31:14,370
as an adult I feel like I can't even be

667
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:16,230
truly honest with you telling you how

668
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:18,510
strange this [\h__\h] thing was so I have

669
00:31:22,790 --> 00:31:20,820
to let you know that I'm talking about

670
00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:22,800
something strange where if we were

671
00:31:27,650 --> 00:31:24,840
really honest with ourselves as a child

672
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:27,660
or someone who is truly open I'm just

673
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,010
gonna tell you this [\h__\h] weird story

674
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:30,960
without throwing any of those caveats or

675
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:34,410
filters into it and I think that that's

676
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:35,850
important I think it's something that

677
00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:39,510
people need to learn and back to our

678
00:31:45,170 --> 00:31:41,820
original point in this conversation

679
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:45,180
what's interesting about that is there

680
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,960
still is an honesty in the tone and the

681
00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:51,840
body language of a person speaking to

682
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:54,990
where if there's no hesitation at all in

683
00:32:00,020 --> 00:31:57,270
an adult that's when you're like oh

684
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:00,030
they're not being truly honest right

685
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,890
that's when you your [\h__\h] detector

686
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:04,080
kind of starts hitting right because you

687
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,930
know oh something might be chemically

688
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:08,700
psychologically wrong with this person

689
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:11,460
because they don't even feel necessary

690
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:13,140
and telling me and then I feel bad for

691
00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:15,810
us because I'm like maybe we are missing

692
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:18,750
it maybe those filters are blocking us

693
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:20,910
from just allowing it I have no idea

694
00:32:26,030 --> 00:32:24,330
what your reality is none yeah so for me

695
00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:26,040
to make a judgment call on it is

696
00:32:30,260 --> 00:32:28,350
terrible for me and so when someone's

697
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:30,270
telling me I was on the ceiling this

698
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:32,310
happened a few months ago this guy came

699
00:32:37,910 --> 00:32:34,170
up to my table and goes hey if you ever

700
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:37,920
talked about aliens that are demon like

701
00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:40,050
that pull people up to the ceiling of a

702
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:41,640
room and rip open their chests and eat

703
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:43,740
their hearts and then drop them on a bed

704
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:45,930
then I go no I actually haven't heard

705
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:47,820
that and he goes it happens to me like

706
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:51,840
seven times a day a day okay and then he

707
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:53,250
just turned out and walked away and I

708
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:55,080
thought to myself oh that dudes [\h__\h]

709
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:56,520
crazy

710
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,770
but if I think about it isolated myself

711
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,020
I'm like holy [\h__\h] what is [\h__\h]

712
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:03,360
happening in his reality is that really

713
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:05,970
happening to him right but what is going

714
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:07,980
on right and why isn't it worth studying

715
00:33:12,530 --> 00:33:10,679
him that's a good point I mean you hear

716
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:12,540
it in there like that

717
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:16,130
crazy crazy God be crazy but when you

718
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:18,990
look at the person in their state of

719
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:22,410
being yeah like okay so let's say he's

720
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:23,070
telling the truth

721
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,130
how does he go day-to-day running with

722
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:27,840
that experience how does he even

723
00:33:33,410 --> 00:33:30,990
function in a normal society when a

724
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:33,420
demon alien is ripping his insights out

725
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:35,100
every day right and pulling off the

726
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,530
ceiling or throwing him back down

727
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,840
right right how do you exist in this

728
00:33:45,770 --> 00:33:41,820
world well you exist in this world by

729
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:45,780
after he walks away I kind of watch him

730
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:48,990
and then I see a woman falling around

731
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,720
and it's his mother and so I tracked

732
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:53,760
down his mother at some point night I go

733
00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:55,410
what did what's happening with your son

734
00:34:00,200 --> 00:33:57,710
and she goes oh he has a lot of problems

735
00:34:04,780 --> 00:34:00,210
and I go what do you mean by problems

736
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:04,790
and she goes well he he's he's not right

737
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:07,170
and I say well what Sammy cuz he's never

738
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:10,200
not been right and then she kind of

739
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:12,810
walks away and now I'm like whoa is the

740
00:34:19,879 --> 00:34:16,050
problem with her me or him yeah the

741
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:19,889
layers just keep yeah yeah like am I not

742
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:21,899
able to experience this reality maybe

743
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,609
he's the only [\h__\h] person in the

744
00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:25,679
world that's actually having this

745
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:28,500
experience and all of us have a block up

746
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:32,250
unfilter on it and how would you exist

747
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:34,740
in a world where you're the only one

748
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:36,810
that's having this crazy experience

749
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:38,970
happening to you you know that you sound

750
00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:39,540
crazy

751
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,200
so you never want to talk about it and

752
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:44,879
everyone's gonna think you're crazy but

753
00:34:49,869 --> 00:34:48,810
you know that it is happening like it's

754
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:49,879
Wow

755
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:53,310
yeah it's like an onion man there the

756
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:56,310
layers going oh my god

757
00:35:02,030 --> 00:34:59,520
oh this was something else that I

758
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:02,040
thought was really interesting that you

759
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:04,290
brought up was applying certain words

760
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,460
mm-hmm

761
00:35:08,809 --> 00:35:06,960
into phenomena

762
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:08,819
it's not it's something that I never

763
00:35:14,839 --> 00:35:12,510
really thought about that even words use

764
00:35:19,569 --> 00:35:14,849
during recounting something or

765
00:35:22,579 --> 00:35:19,579
describing something can either limit

766
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:22,589
what's going on or have a different

767
00:35:30,799 --> 00:35:28,290
effect right as well yeah so well you

768
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:30,809
kind of like ghosts and gnome yeah Liam

769
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:34,980
yeah this story yeah so words have

770
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:36,540
always been important to me because they

771
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,730
are somewhat archetypal they mean

772
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:40,800
certain things whether or not they still

773
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:43,290
retain their original meanings has

774
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:46,140
always been interesting to me and when

775
00:35:52,220 --> 00:35:48,420
you take any basic philosophy course in

776
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:52,230
college like the basis is we have to

777
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:53,910
define our words before we start having

778
00:35:57,559 --> 00:35:55,770
a conversation that way we all are

779
00:36:01,579 --> 00:35:57,569
logically talking about the same thing

780
00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:01,589
because if I say imagine a tree like you

781
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:03,030
might have imagined a pine tree and I

782
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:04,740
just imagine oak tree so we're already

783
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:07,050
on the wrong [\h__\h] directly and so I

784
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:09,240
ask people like to you do you think that

785
00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:11,250
when you die you become a ghost and most

786
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:14,579
people say yes and then I'll say like do

787
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,170
you think that you become an alien and

788
00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:18,240
most people say no and I say do you

789
00:36:23,059 --> 00:36:20,430
think most people do when you die Vee

790
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:23,069
you become a gnome and everybody laughs

791
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,180
at that and I Domo logically like a

792
00:36:33,220 --> 00:36:30,000
ghost is from Geist which is wind or

793
00:36:35,299 --> 00:36:33,230
breath so do you become breath and

794
00:36:38,359 --> 00:36:35,309
that's what most people believe that

795
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:38,369
they become breath just a wisp of air

796
00:36:43,789 --> 00:36:41,640
and then do you become an alien right

797
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:43,799
which is a French word the etymology of

798
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:47,220
alien and are you a foreigner to this

799
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:50,520
place and do not belong here which is

800
00:36:54,109 --> 00:36:52,470
what that means and some people said yes

801
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:54,119
but most people said no and then a no

802
00:37:01,880 --> 00:36:57,530
much most people laughed at and no is

803
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:01,890
the on etymology of gnome is a spirit of

804
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:04,890
this world and that's the one that is

805
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:08,280
the most real yeah but sounds the most

806
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,859
ridiculous when you say none then you

807
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,480
start looking at all I mean all all

808
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:14,640
words they have some type of meaning to

809
00:37:20,510 --> 00:37:18,480
them and we forget that words are these

810
00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:20,520
kind of impactful powerful

811
00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:22,470
all things that we use all the time

812
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,360
there's a reason why I can look at

813
00:37:32,420 --> 00:37:30,240
someone and say I love them and it's

814
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:32,430
fine I've hugged a lot of people this

815
00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:34,470
weekend and said love you you know and

816
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:37,950
and hug them and whatever but there can

817
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:39,510
come a time in your life when a person

818
00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:43,140
looks in your eyes and says the word

819
00:37:49,580 --> 00:37:47,190
love and there's a power behind it you

820
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:49,590
can feel their emotion come through that

821
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:53,160
word and we we would talk about magic

822
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:55,170
words when we're talking about magic

823
00:38:02,110 --> 00:37:58,290
words hold a power there the insight

824
00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:02,120
into our brain and we've forgotten that

825
00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:06,120
so when I was talking about even like

826
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:09,030
people named George in the UFO phenomena

827
00:38:13,220 --> 00:38:10,530
George hunt William senator George

828
00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:13,230
Adamski George Van Tassel like there's

829
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:15,230
names that come up over an event he'll

830
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:17,430
talks about this a lot you talk about

831
00:38:23,330 --> 00:38:19,290
the reves phenomena there's a lot of

832
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,340
Reeves that happen in the UFO phenomenon

833
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:25,440
like does that play a part too like is

834
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:27,480
the universe playing with us through

835
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:30,330
language as well and I don't think that

836
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,700
people look at the whole component of

837
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,520
reality which includes words to mean

838
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:37,740
something so like L write the original

839
00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:40,890
name of God as far back as we can find

840
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:44,520
the original name of God is is L e l to

841
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:48,090
this day even after 6,000 years of

842
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:52,290
language in modern English most words

843
00:39:02,870 --> 00:38:56,700
that begin with a L mean up so like

844
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:02,880
elite elevator elevated elder like it

845
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:06,180
still means up there somewhere and so

846
00:39:10,610 --> 00:39:08,250
there are hints there are odd but these

847
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:10,620
kind of archetypal hints that language

848
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:13,850
is important too so when you're reading

849
00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:17,700
accounts of contactees the things the

850
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:21,270
words that are used by the aliens or the

851
00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:22,920
space brothers or where you want to call

852
00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:25,230
them like those are important too in our

853
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:26,790
research and people leave them out all

854
00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:29,690
the time it's fascinating to me that

855
00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:33,120
just simple language can become such a

856
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,230
powerful

857
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:36,480
way of interpreting inexperience em hmm

858
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:40,020
you know like even brought up and I love

859
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:41,609
this case and I've talked about it many

860
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:44,910
times on the show the Simonson case you

861
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:46,770
know my favorite case my god

862
00:39:53,180 --> 00:39:49,890
and when you said towards the end of the

863
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:53,190
experience what he thought was possibly

864
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:56,070
alien but you had another interpretation

865
00:40:00,800 --> 00:39:58,440
of witches fairies are fairy folk right

866
00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:00,810
right which again most people would

867
00:40:06,020 --> 00:40:03,660
laugh at or scoff at this was clearly an

868
00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:06,030
alien experience right you know things

869
00:40:11,570 --> 00:40:09,180
came out of a silver disc and you know

870
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:11,580
we're looking for water and took off

871
00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:14,910
clearly an alien encounter yeah when you

872
00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:16,950
flip the script and tell us that it was

873
00:40:22,070 --> 00:40:20,340
you know not alien that like blew my mom

874
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:22,080
I mean people have to work with the

875
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:23,910
language that they have if you look at

876
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:25,980
there's a little small book that was

877
00:40:30,590 --> 00:40:27,660
written in the 1800's called a common

878
00:40:33,590 --> 00:40:30,600
discourse on Second Sight it's maybe 60

879
00:40:36,620 --> 00:40:33,600
pages long and the author at the time is

880
00:40:39,460 --> 00:40:36,630
talking about how angels interact with

881
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:39,470
us and one of the things he writes is

882
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:40,650
angels

883
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:43,710
using their power and their words can

884
00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:46,290
create lights in the sky can creates

885
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:48,900
things around you which are physical and

886
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,450
are not physical so like he's talking

887
00:40:57,380 --> 00:40:54,240
about like manifesting like experiences

888
00:41:00,380 --> 00:40:57,390
in a language of the early 1800s and he

889
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:00,390
doesn't have aliens so he uses angels he

890
00:41:07,099 --> 00:41:02,940
uses people up above right but he's

891
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:07,109
trying to talk about unreal experiences

892
00:41:12,020 --> 00:41:08,820
in the language that he has the way that

893
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:12,030
Joe not knowing about fairies talks

894
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:13,980
about fairies in the modern language of

895
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:17,310
UFOs and I've never understood why

896
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:19,770
people can't see past that I mean I know

897
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:20,760
a lot of people are brought up with

898
00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:22,710
religion one of the things I think was

899
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:23,880
great about my parents is they brought

900
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:27,420
me up with no religion so I kind of

901
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,880
entered into everything with everything

902
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,500
being a comic book if that makes

903
00:41:35,690 --> 00:41:33,359
anything like it's all just kind of myth

904
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:35,700
and story and whatever and so where are

905
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:38,730
the the similarities and I think it's

906
00:41:43,330 --> 00:41:40,470
people for heart it's hard for people to

907
00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:43,340
break out of the idea that like

908
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:45,630
just at this conversation this weekend

909
00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:49,350
there was a guy and he was like he said

910
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:51,750
people who are believed in the Islamic

911
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:54,510
faith are never gonna buy into the idea

912
00:42:00,100 --> 00:41:57,420
of UFOs and I said well what do you mean

913
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,110
by that and he goes well you know

914
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,760
Christians we have a lot of talk about

915
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:05,460
like old sky gods and stuff so it's

916
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,680
easier like for us as Christians and to

917
00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:12,480
accept maybe people from outer space and

918
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:14,550
I said so you think that people who

919
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:16,710
believe in a talking snake find it

920
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:18,930
easier to believe in UFOs than people

921
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:20,520
who believe in a man who jumped on a

922
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:22,950
horse and flew into space which is the

923
00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:25,170
Quran yeah and he was like what do you

924
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:26,190
mean by that and I'm like if they've

925
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,110
already got people traveling into space

926
00:42:33,110 --> 00:42:30,000
in the Quran it should be much easier to

927
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:33,120
them this enters into a whole nother

928
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:36,510
aspect of language religion and the

929
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:39,900
racism of UFOs which no one ever talks

930
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:41,730
about like ancient aliens is a

931
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:43,890
straight-up racist thing right oh yeah I

932
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,920
think I mean I don't know no one ever

933
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,200
talks about it I don't know why it's the

934
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:51,960
like we don't talk about this in UFOs

935
00:42:59,840 --> 00:42:55,610
but like the idea that non-white people

936
00:43:01,850 --> 00:42:59,850
had technology beyond white people that

937
00:43:04,090 --> 00:43:01,860
must have had help from aliens to do it

938
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:04,100
right that is the underlying current and

939
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:05,850
unfortunately when you read a lot of

940
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:07,800
older UFO books when you read a lot of

941
00:43:12,020 --> 00:43:10,170
older paranormal books the underlying

942
00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:12,030
current is that like white people are

943
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:14,340
the dominant species Nordic space

944
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,710
brothers they're all very highly

945
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:19,020
involved and they're all white and tall

946
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:21,810
with blond hair whether it's theosophy

947
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:23,880
you have the Nordic brothers who are all

948
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:25,470
kind of white and tall you have the

949
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:27,150
white ascended masters you have the

950
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,780
white Brotherhood it's black magic which

951
00:43:36,250 --> 00:43:32,400
is bad you have white magic which is

952
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:36,260
good there is a very weird European

953
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:39,090
underlying like racist content to it and

954
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:42,060
the language is important because you

955
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,850
see the words and how they evolve with

956
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:47,040
and I know we're jumping all over the

957
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:48,180
place but that's just kind of on my

958
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:52,410
brain how we did this but I mean you see

959
00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:55,020
how language evolves into breaking us

960
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:56,339
and keeping us in

961
00:44:03,049 --> 00:44:00,900
opponent parts like that's why this guy

962
00:44:05,749 --> 00:44:03,059
doesn't think that people who believe in

963
00:44:08,029 --> 00:44:05,759
Islam will ever be able to accept UFOs

964
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,039
because he's only ever read Christian

965
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:10,319
theology he's only ever read UFOs

966
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:11,910
stories about white people and Nordic

967
00:44:17,029 --> 00:44:14,400
space brothers he doesn't know that the

968
00:44:19,849 --> 00:44:17,039
men in black like as described by Albert

969
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,859
bender were black like they are black

970
00:44:25,069 --> 00:44:21,839
skinned dark-skinned people

971
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:25,079
Joe Symington aliens are dark-skinned

972
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:26,940
Europeans olive-skinned Europeans

973
00:44:31,789 --> 00:44:29,700
Italians that's Joe called them UFO

974
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,799
researchers don't like that for some

975
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:33,119
reason because there is this underlying

976
00:44:38,479 --> 00:44:36,089
weird racist quality to it how many

977
00:44:41,779 --> 00:44:38,489
black UFO researchers you know right now

978
00:44:43,609 --> 00:44:41,789
just gonna say that maybe one I know

979
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,619
like that I can think of in 30 years I

980
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:46,079
know like three yeah yeah and I've had a

981
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:50,400
lot of non-white friends ask me how come

982
00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:52,049
there's no black people at these UFO

983
00:44:55,999 --> 00:44:54,150
conferences how come there's no people

984
00:44:59,239 --> 00:44:56,009
of color in general at any of these

985
00:45:01,359 --> 00:44:59,249
things and I'm like I don't have an

986
00:45:05,299 --> 00:45:01,369
answer for you I wish it was different

987
00:45:07,489 --> 00:45:05,309
what do you think that is well let's see

988
00:45:10,269 --> 00:45:07,499
let's go beyond the idea that a lot of

989
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:10,279
the old literature and everything is I

990
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:14,819
agree definitely racist for um why is it

991
00:45:18,769 --> 00:45:17,099
when you go to these conferences or talk

992
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:18,779
to most people who've had experiences

993
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:22,200
they're predominantly white because I

994
00:45:28,209 --> 00:45:23,940
mean it has to do with systemic racism

995
00:45:30,259 --> 00:45:28,219
okay I mean you have white Europeans

996
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:30,269
having a certain amount of white

997
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:34,680
privilege like we have extra time we

998
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:37,710
have we have the ability to go to school

999
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:41,729
and we don't have to worry about the

1000
00:45:46,489 --> 00:45:44,579
system holding us down or folding our

1001
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:46,499
ancestors down we we haven't had to

1002
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:48,420
worry about it and so we have an extra

1003
00:45:54,229 --> 00:45:50,690
time to think about [\h__\h] like UFOs

1004
00:45:56,749 --> 00:45:54,239
that's a good point I mean our our focus

1005
00:45:59,299 --> 00:45:56,759
and our energy isn't going day to day

1006
00:46:02,660 --> 00:45:59,309
you're dealing with the struggles that

1007
00:46:04,459 --> 00:46:02,670
you know racism races cause yeah so we

1008
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:04,469
have the luxury of being able to think

1009
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:05,680
about people

1010
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:08,230
their planet and what could be out there

1011
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:13,090
it's it's sad in a way but as long as

1012
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:16,570
you I think people like us to white men

1013
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:18,910
talking about this can't acknowledge it

1014
00:46:25,110 --> 00:46:21,790
that's a step and now it's us about it's

1015
00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:25,120
a step I don't know how much the two of

1016
00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:27,580
us can really do to change that

1017
00:46:32,570 --> 00:46:29,830
except pointing it out when it happens

1018
00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:32,580
like you said this guy who said oh yeah

1019
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:35,320
Islam like they don't ever get it

1020
00:46:39,260 --> 00:46:36,670
they'll never understand it that's

1021
00:46:42,570 --> 00:46:39,270
problem yeah that right there that is

1022
00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:42,580
Islamophobia and it's there was very

1023
00:46:46,890 --> 00:46:45,190
troubling that's hard man and I heard

1024
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:46,900
things like that before where people

1025
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:49,570
have said oh yeah like the Christians

1026
00:46:53,730 --> 00:46:51,490
get it like they're fine with it right

1027
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:53,740
all these other religions they're like

1028
00:46:59,490 --> 00:46:56,130
they're weird they're the best of that

1029
00:47:02,730 --> 00:46:59,500
or you know these these tribes in Africa

1030
00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:02,740
they they they do their weird voodoo

1031
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:04,900
stuff while we're over here doing this

1032
00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:08,050
right which is right and and sickening

1033
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:09,880
in but it's funny because again it's

1034
00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:13,390
like the appropriation right so like

1035
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:16,360
some of the greatest like magic

1036
00:47:21,210 --> 00:47:18,700
paranormal supernatural phenomena like

1037
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,220
let's say Senegal okay Senegal has a

1038
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:23,200
very rich history with which we're

1039
00:47:28,860 --> 00:47:26,350
caftan magic and spirit beings and stuff

1040
00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:28,870
like that but it's Senegal right and

1041
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:31,420
it's it's all black people it's all

1042
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:35,410
Africans so you have European ritual

1043
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:39,010
magicians who are doing rituals that

1044
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:41,110
they've learned from watching the

1045
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:44,170
Senegalese people and saying this is how

1046
00:47:49,710 --> 00:47:46,690
you do magic man right and so then you

1047
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:49,720
have generations of white and European

1048
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,850
magicians saying this is how you do

1049
00:47:57,210 --> 00:47:53,920
magic not even realizing that's been

1050
00:47:59,700 --> 00:47:57,220
drawn from senegalese voodoo

1051
00:48:02,520 --> 00:47:59,710
practitioners in in in the Pacific

1052
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:02,530
Islands like like it all gets like it's

1053
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,550
very troublesome and I I just wish that

1054
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:08,800
people would talk about it more how many

1055
00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:10,710
episodes have you talked about racism

1056
00:48:20,740 --> 00:48:18,130
it's maybe come up once yeah it was with

1057
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:20,750
Rob Kristofferson talking about ancient

1058
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:22,490
alien theory yeah it's troublesome

1059
00:48:29,710 --> 00:48:26,690
because you have a vast swathes of

1060
00:48:32,890 --> 00:48:29,720
culture whether it be black Asian

1061
00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:32,900
Hispanic that have rich cultures and

1062
00:48:38,170 --> 00:48:35,270
histories where we talk about South

1063
00:48:40,359 --> 00:48:38,180
American UFO encounters all the time how

1064
00:48:41,859 --> 00:48:40,369
many people at this convention did you

1065
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:41,869
see that we're from South America or

1066
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:44,690
Central America again it's all white

1067
00:48:49,090 --> 00:48:46,970
because is all white people because

1068
00:48:51,790 --> 00:48:49,100
there is a struggle going on that

1069
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:51,800
systemic throughout the world where

1070
00:48:57,970 --> 00:48:53,810
people are actually more concerned with

1071
00:49:01,599 --> 00:48:57,980
living tomorrow then if the human race

1072
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:01,609
is going to get spaceships ten years

1073
00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:06,770
from now so what do we do as presenters

1074
00:49:12,070 --> 00:49:09,140
or people who have been given this

1075
00:49:14,890 --> 00:49:12,080
platform to talk at these events about

1076
00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:14,900
the research we've done what do we do to

1077
00:49:18,310 --> 00:49:16,820
change that is there anything I mean

1078
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:18,320
there's small conversations like this

1079
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:20,390
this makes a difference yeah yeah very

1080
00:49:24,190 --> 00:49:22,790
small difference yes but it makes it if

1081
00:49:27,220 --> 00:49:24,200
it's because someone's talking about it

1082
00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:27,230
it's always interesting to me so like

1083
00:49:32,590 --> 00:49:30,280
the majority of psychics that I know

1084
00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:32,600
that I think are actually really psychic

1085
00:49:38,740 --> 00:49:34,940
and have some psychic power to them are

1086
00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:38,750
not white but those communities keep it

1087
00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:42,790
to themselves because they don't want

1088
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:46,840
white European men appropriating it I

1089
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:49,730
did a convention at Michigan Paracon

1090
00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:51,650
which is at into st. Marie and it's on

1091
00:49:55,570 --> 00:49:54,350
an Indian Reservation and this woman

1092
00:49:59,590 --> 00:49:55,580
came up to me and she said you should

1093
00:50:01,330 --> 00:49:59,600
talk more about the Algonquin and I

1094
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,340
looked at her and I said well like I

1095
00:50:05,980 --> 00:50:03,440
wrote a book about sky people and the

1096
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:05,990
stories of Native Americans and original

1097
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:08,930
North American habitants I said but when

1098
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:12,650
I go to tribal people and try and get

1099
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:14,150
them tell stories like I'm a white guy

1100
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,450
I'm like you're Native American you need

1101
00:50:21,130 --> 00:50:19,520
to write this book like that's your

1102
00:50:21,940 --> 00:50:21,140
journey because I'm not going to be led

1103
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:21,950
into the club

1104
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:24,050
yeah like for all of my good intentions

1105
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:26,220
like it's just not gonna happen

1106
00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:33,240
and it is important that we have slight

1107
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:34,440
discussions like this

1108
00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:36,570
yeah slightly important I think you're a

1109
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,599
and I think that speaks to the greater

1110
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:41,040
greater mystery that we're all trying to

1111
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:43,890
figure out is if we have these small

1112
00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:48,480
discussions and we normalize the topics

1113
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:52,230
that we can then move forward instead of

1114
00:50:58,580 --> 00:50:54,510
just ignoring the problem ignoring the

1115
00:51:00,920 --> 00:50:58,590
issue and moving on I mean I'm sure you

1116
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:00,930
and I have both spoken at conferences

1117
00:51:08,330 --> 00:51:05,270
that we knew some of the speakers were

1118
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:08,340
complete frogs yeah or charlatans sure

1119
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:11,910
but when you're in a room with all these

1120
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:14,910
people they're listening the conference

1121
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,310
organisers there and you know this

1122
00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:19,859
person's full of [\h__\h] what do you do you

1123
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:22,470
you don't call them out well then in the

1124
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:24,810
middle of their talk and say no that's

1125
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:28,140
[\h__\h] yeah yeah yeah yeah have you

1126
00:51:34,099 --> 00:51:30,420
ever been in a solution with that really

1127
00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:34,109
yeah okay yeah I've been at conferences

1128
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:36,150
I mean this is one of the reasons that I

1129
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:39,300
am the person that I am and that why I'm

1130
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:40,680
not allowed to go to certain conferences

1131
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,660
okay like there are huge conferences

1132
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,920
that I probably should be speaking at

1133
00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:45,839
and I am NOT speaking at and it's

1134
00:51:50,180 --> 00:51:47,430
because if someone says something that's

1135
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:50,190
not right I didn't do it to today at

1136
00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:52,140
this conference just because I think

1137
00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:53,940
that most people had seen lectures by me

1138
00:51:57,859 --> 00:51:56,550
before I did kind of a thing beforehand

1139
00:51:59,599 --> 00:51:57,869
but I was asked how many people have

1140
00:52:01,339 --> 00:51:59,609
seen one of my lectures but usually at a

1141
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:01,349
lecture where I've never lectured before

1142
00:52:04,550 --> 00:52:03,089
I tell people if I say something wrong

1143
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:04,560
please raise your hand and tell me that

1144
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:06,570
I'm wrong right because I don't want to

1145
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:08,460
be wrong I want to give people decent

1146
00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:12,690
information and sometimes I don't sit on

1147
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:14,790
lectures because if I hear someone say

1148
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:17,220
something that I know is factually

1149
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:19,650
incorrect I'll raise my hand and then

1150
00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:22,020
I'll interrupt their lecture and I'll

1151
00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:23,700
say that you know that's not not right

1152
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:26,280
and they'll say what do you mean

1153
00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:30,330
and then something in Sue's eye I mean

1154
00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:32,040
it has to be done in the moment like I

1155
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:33,180
can tell that I can pull that person

1156
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:35,849
away later at another time and say like

1157
00:52:38,769 --> 00:52:37,020
after they're done with their lecture

1158
00:52:40,959 --> 00:52:38,779
like what you said was wrong

1159
00:52:42,579 --> 00:52:40,969
but they still just told 300 people

1160
00:52:44,439 --> 00:52:42,589
something that was wrong I can't go to

1161
00:52:46,569 --> 00:52:44,449
each of the 300 people like I have to do

1162
00:52:48,279 --> 00:52:46,579
it in that moment yeah and people was

1163
00:52:50,380 --> 00:52:48,289
like well you're a dick for doing that

1164
00:52:52,449 --> 00:52:50,390
and it's like am i or am i addicted

1165
00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:52,459
letting someone spout off something

1166
00:52:57,009 --> 00:52:55,369
that's wrong to 300 people who know

1167
00:52:58,409 --> 00:52:57,019
there's 300 people who know something

1168
00:53:00,579 --> 00:52:58,419
that's wrong

1169
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:00,589
they're just gonna do it again yeah the

1170
00:53:04,779 --> 00:53:01,849
next of course and they're gonna get

1171
00:53:08,349 --> 00:53:04,789
away with it yeah you know I there was a

1172
00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:08,359
television show this is maybe 10 years

1173
00:53:12,729 --> 00:53:11,150
ago it wasn't a television show and I

1174
00:53:15,699 --> 00:53:12,739
walked into this house it was a ghost

1175
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:15,709
show and I walked into this house and as

1176
00:53:18,579 --> 00:53:17,150
I looked around and talked to the family

1177
00:53:19,899 --> 00:53:18,589
like I realized like there were abuse

1178
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:19,909
issues and there were some drug issues

1179
00:53:24,189 --> 00:53:21,529
and there's some mental health issues

1180
00:53:28,209 --> 00:53:24,199
and I went back outside to the producers

1181
00:53:29,649 --> 00:53:28,219
and I said this is not a paranormal

1182
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:29,659
event that's happening in this house

1183
00:53:34,779 --> 00:53:32,890
this is they need family counseling

1184
00:53:36,669 --> 00:53:34,789
psychiatrists need to be here as I call

1185
00:53:38,829 --> 00:53:36,679
just need to be here we are not supposed

1186
00:53:41,049 --> 00:53:38,839
to be here and the producers were like

1187
00:53:43,329 --> 00:53:41,059
you need to just go in that house and

1188
00:53:44,709 --> 00:53:43,339
make a ghost show and we need a shot of

1189
00:53:46,539 --> 00:53:44,719
you standing in front of the family

1190
00:53:49,630 --> 00:53:46,549
saying that there's a demon in the house

1191
00:53:50,890 --> 00:53:49,640
and I was like I quit when they like

1192
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,900
what we have a contract with you will

1193
00:53:53,469 --> 00:53:52,400
see you for a million dollars and I'm

1194
00:53:55,989 --> 00:53:53,479
like go ahead I don't have a million

1195
00:53:58,329 --> 00:53:55,999
dollars like it's [\h__\h] fine like I

1196
00:54:01,089 --> 00:53:58,339
don't care and I walked off the set and

1197
00:54:04,329 --> 00:54:01,099
walked away from that show and it never

1198
00:54:05,769 --> 00:54:04,339
got made like it's as easy as that just

1199
00:54:08,140 --> 00:54:05,779
stand up for the things that you believe

1200
00:54:11,049 --> 00:54:08,150
in and call [\h__\h] out when it's wrong and

1201
00:54:14,169 --> 00:54:11,059
things change but if you don't if you

1202
00:54:16,299 --> 00:54:14,179
say well that's okay and I'll let him

1203
00:54:18,759 --> 00:54:16,309
get through it like then it just stays

1204
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:18,769
[\h__\h] up forever and it's hard it's

1205
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:22,249
hard to like I've gotten in fights with

1206
00:54:26,409 --> 00:54:24,890
people who the older generation the mean

1207
00:54:30,009 --> 00:54:26,419
there are fights that occurred in the

1208
00:54:32,109 --> 00:54:30,019
90s between me and Stanton we had fights

1209
00:54:34,149 --> 00:54:32,119
Loren Coleman and I got in fights

1210
00:54:36,489 --> 00:54:34,159
Richard Hall and I got into fights like

1211
00:54:38,229 --> 00:54:36,499
there were old researchers who didn't

1212
00:54:40,419 --> 00:54:38,239
want to hear some young upstart kid

1213
00:54:42,609 --> 00:54:40,429
saying that's wrong I wasn't arguing

1214
00:54:45,759 --> 00:54:42,619
them on their ideas or their thoughts on

1215
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:45,769
their facts that's when you just call

1216
00:54:49,179 --> 00:54:47,089
people out if someone makes a

1217
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:49,189
declarative definitive statement that

1218
00:54:51,730 --> 00:54:51,049
they understand something that they know

1219
00:54:53,859 --> 00:54:51,740
something and you

1220
00:54:55,930 --> 00:54:53,869
you know it's wrong you know

1221
00:54:58,210 --> 00:54:55,940
declaratively for yourself that it's

1222
00:55:00,700 --> 00:54:58,220
wrong you they need to be challenged on

1223
00:55:02,350 --> 00:55:00,710
it because we just roll around and end

1224
00:55:06,430 --> 00:55:02,360
up in the same cycles that we're seeing

1225
00:55:07,620 --> 00:55:06,440
now and it is hard but there's a lot of

1226
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:07,630
people who grew up

1227
00:55:14,730 --> 00:55:11,210
you're probably part of them we talk all

1228
00:55:17,859 --> 00:55:14,740
the time about this kind of brash full

1229
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:17,869
youthful I mean I'm an old punk rocker

1230
00:55:25,150 --> 00:55:22,450
right like fight authority change [\h__\h]

1231
00:55:26,590 --> 00:55:25,160
this generation your generation I'm a

1232
00:55:28,780 --> 00:55:26,600
little bit out of it a little bit too

1233
00:55:31,930 --> 00:55:28,790
old for it but I'm still kind of a

1234
00:55:34,180 --> 00:55:31,940
little punk rocker like just tell people

1235
00:55:35,950 --> 00:55:34,190
like that's wrong and that will change

1236
00:55:38,859 --> 00:55:35,960
things you go to a convention and you're

1237
00:55:40,930 --> 00:55:38,869
sitting in the crowd and someone let's

1238
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:40,940
say me if I say something during my

1239
00:55:45,970 --> 00:55:43,850
lecture and you know it's factually

1240
00:55:49,540 --> 00:55:45,980
wrong yeah and you raise your hand and I

1241
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:49,550
go Ryan what and you go it wasn't 1964

1242
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:53,360
it was 1965 I'm gonna go I'm sorry about

1243
00:55:57,099 --> 00:55:54,050
that you're right

1244
00:55:57,550 --> 00:55:57,109
you're not gonna say [\h__\h] no of course

1245
00:56:00,760 --> 00:55:57,560
not

1246
00:56:02,859 --> 00:56:00,770
Yeah right unless I'm bullshitting you

1247
00:56:05,260 --> 00:56:02,869
unless I'm bullshitting everyone there

1248
00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:05,270
then I'll get mad if you correct me and

1249
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:05,750
you're right

1250
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,810
I'm gonna be happy about it if you

1251
00:56:13,930 --> 00:56:10,640
correct me and I'm bullshitting people

1252
00:56:17,770 --> 00:56:13,940
then I'll be mad I mean we all want

1253
00:56:24,250 --> 00:56:17,780
truth some kind of truth so just be a

1254
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,260
dick about it every now and then awesome

1255
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,760
it's a lot of babble in there but

1256
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:27,680
there's some good stuff thank you

1257
00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:34,930
that's it for this week's episode again

1258
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:37,640
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00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,540
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00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:19,760
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00:57:25,180 --> 00:57:22,880
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1278
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,040
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1279
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:31,040
planet kgr a and my special thanks as

1280
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:34,490
always to you for listening I'll see you

1281
00:57:38,980 --> 00:57:36,890
here next week and remember keep your

1282
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:38,990
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1283
00:58:00,920 --> 00:57:41,370
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1284
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:00,930
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1285
00:58:23,049 --> 00:58:02,850
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1286
00:58:27,259 --> 00:58:25,519
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